new world translation version ii:.
"from the days of john the baptist until now, the kingdom of the heavens is the goal toward which men press, and those pressing forward are seizing it".
new international version:.
Rob,
i just read your question again. You were asking about the version of NIV, not NWT. I am using a website (biblegateway.com), so I don't know what version it is.
Yes I agree. I very strongly doubt that the writers of ancient times (between 2,600 and 3,000 years ago) meant anything other than what is written. Irony and sarcasm are features of much later times.
new world translation version ii:.
"from the days of john the baptist until now, the kingdom of the heavens is the goal toward which men press, and those pressing forward are seizing it".
new international version:.
Thanks Rob. I am using the Bible translation in jw.org
At least there is no flagrant mistranslation as in 1 Samuel 28:12-20 (notice the added quotation marks around Samuel)
When the woman saw “Samuel,”*+ she cried out at the top of her voice and said to Saul: “Why did you trick me? You are Saul!” 13 The king said to her: “Do not be afraid, but what do you see?” The woman replied to Saul: “I see one like a god coming up out of the earth.” 14 At once he asked her: “What does he look like?” to which she said: “It is an old man coming up, and he is clothed in a sleeveless coat.”+ At that Saul realized that it was “Samuel,” and he bowed low with his face to the ground and prostrated himself. 15 Then “Samuel” said to Saul: “Why have you disturbed me by having me brought up?” Saul replied: “I am in great trouble. The Phi·lis′tines are fighting against me, and God has departed from me and no longer answers me, either through the prophets or in dreams;+ so that is why I am calling on you to let me know what I should do.”+ 16 And “Samuel” said: “Why do you inquire of me now that Jehovah has departed from you+ and has become your adversary? 17 Jehovah will do for himself what he foretold through me: Jehovah will rip the kingdom out of your hands and give it to one of your fellow men, David.+ 18 Because you did not obey the voice of Jehovah and you did not execute his burning anger against the A·mal′ek·ites,+ that is why Jehovah is doing this to you this day. 19 Jehovah will also give both Israel and you into the hand of the Phi·lis′tines,+ and tomorrow you+ and your sons+ will be with me. Jehovah will also give the army of Israel into the hands of the Phi·lis′tines.”+ 20 At once Saul fell full length on the ground and became very much afraid because of “Samuel’s” words.
i had a music album by a gay guy before i was a jw and had no problem listening to it.
it's good music.
some of the lyrics are what you might call 'gay', that is there's some talk about boyfriends, gay bars, and queens and the intolerance the artist encountered as a gay man.
Julia,
I am Hispanic from Mexico and grew up in a culture where being homophobic to various degrees was (maybe still is) the norm. I am 48 and proudly can tell you that that homophobia is quickly subsiding thanks to this website in general, but more particularly thanks to a very moving post of a young JW who came out of the closet here, but feared disappointing his elder father and his entire family and congregation if he ever admitted his sexual orientation. He was forced to repressed his true feelings and live a life he didn't want to live just to accomodate the beliefs of others. This post opened my eyes to the cruelty to which we subject gay people, especially young ones, with our rejection of their perfectly natural feeling of love towards others. I have admitted multiple times that, based on the natural caring behavior towards others, women are better people than men. I will go farther and say homosexual males are better people than heterosexual males.
i had a music album by a gay guy before i was a jw and had no problem listening to it.
it's good music.
some of the lyrics are what you might call 'gay', that is there's some talk about boyfriends, gay bars, and queens and the intolerance the artist encountered as a gay man.
Smiddy,
You are sick. Two women going at it get you excited? Let me fix you. Try two hot, naked and very horny women, and put yourself right in between them. Now that's even better. Isn't it?
new world translation version ii:.
"from the days of john the baptist until now, the kingdom of the heavens is the goal toward which men press, and those pressing forward are seizing it".
new international version:.
New World Translation Version II:
"From the days of John the Baptist until now, the Kingdom of the heavens is the goal toward which men press, and those pressing forward are seizing it"
New International Version:
From the days of John the Baptist until now, the kingdom of heaven has been subjected to violence, [ d ] and violent people have been raiding it.
Who is wrong? I think I can guess the answer to this question based on their record, but is there a person here that can offer some light on the subject. Thanks!
the jw at work likes to put up the scripture from the daily text each day.
this one looked a bit off when i looked at it.
1 tim 1:4. .
Nineteen eighty four. Control information.
so let's say i've thought about having some vinyl lettering printed up and stuck on the back windshield of the car to publicize ttatt...what should it say?.
"do you know ttatt?".
"jehovah's witnesses are a cult that breaks up families".
Quote the recent Watchtower " be ready to do anything we tell you to do... whether is reasonable or not" and then give credit to the Watchtower. I am paraphrasing, not quoting, of course
in the field service, during my preaching to a householder, she interrupted me and said: i would ask something, after getting answer you can continue!
i said ok. she said: i was not believing in the existence of a god until recently.
last month, in the middle of the night, i got an emergency call from my hospital to attend to a complicated caesarean case.
God could have prevented the whole incident altogether and save the poor lady the mental agony. What about all the other ladies who did get raped somewhere in the world? I am sure some were also doctors. I guess God was too busy helping this one lady and couldn't help others that night. He may not be a multitasker after all; He can only help one person at a time.
if reasoning with a jehovahs witness on the watchtower societys interpretations of the kingdom of god, parousia, the cross, blood, and so on is unlikely to break the wtss mental stranglehold, what then is its achilles heel?.
http://www.jwstudies.com/the_watchtower_s_achilles__heel.pdf.
doug.
As always the content is excellent and the presentation superb.
Since I know you are a perfectionist, let me nitpick.
On page 13 change
"Act’s report of the meeting’s message".
to
"Acts' report of the meeting’s message".
it just came out yesterday that the nsa has spied on the vatican and pope francis.
when i went over my parents house yesterday, you could see the excitement, the energy in their eyes when they talked about it.
my dad even pumped his fist like he won something when he was talking about it.
Emeth,
The apostles did not get it wrong. Jesus spoke very clearly and misled them. It was Jesus who either lied or promised and had no power to deliver. When are you gonna realize that "this generation" died almost two thousand years ago.
